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Reply to topic| JUNGALICIOUS - Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:13 pm | |
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[quote="SINDEEZ"]Fine, the answer is No and you knew it all along. We are all slaves in some form or another, Period. We cannot govern our lives freely- society does. always has always will. now we of likemindedness have the ability to revel in our "uniqueness" but still we are players in this vicious cycle. sad to think we feel free because we have yet to experience the harshest form of slavery. but hey, let's dance...[/quote]
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| OVERLOAD - Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:09 pm | |
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JUNGALICIOUS wrote: WHAT IS FREEDOM? WHO IS FREE? WILL I FIND YOU AMONG THE LIVING OR THE DEAD?
You won't find freedom when you are dead because you'll be dead. It is far better to try to find freedom in life. martin wrote: The government's job is to protect you from other people, and to protect other people from you, NOT to protect anyone from themselves.
I think there's still a line to be drawn even when protecting people from others. The Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 along with other recent additions to the law, courtesy of New Labour, are the biggest infringements on our freedom for a long time. It, amongst other things, restricts our freedom to protest within 1KM of Parliament (plus military bases, animal testing centres, and anywhere else they decide) and it gives the police the power to arrest anyone for any offence without evidence and take DNA and photos. "For all but a truly minor crime, the officer is empowered, using force, if necessary, to take a sample of the suspect's DNA from his mouth, to photograph and fingerprint him and, finally, to take impressions of his footwear. Remember, at this stage, the suspect is just that - a suspect. He has not been found guilty by a court and, under British law, is therefore presumed innocent. And yet he has been forced to submit to a humiliating process as though he were about to enter prison." [Guardian, Nov 2005] They can literally forcibly bundle you in to the back of a van, take mugshots and DNA - just for standing silently holding a banner within 1KM of Parliament, read this Times article, Goodbye Magna Carta, it is shocking. Protesting outside of Parliament is now considered, by law, a "Serious Organised Crime". All of this to "protect us"? Yeah, right. It's time to boot New Labour out of office and try to regain our freedom. JUNGALICIOUS wrote: GRANTED, GOD IS A JUST MASTER, BUT WE ARE HIS SLAVES NONETHELESS
Slightly unrelated to my last point, but if God is omniscient and omnipotent (as the 3 Abrahamic religions preach), then that means that he not our 'master'. That may sound stupid, but consider this: If God is omniscient then he knows exactly how he is going to intervene in future to change the course of history using his omnipotence - this means that he is unable change his mind about furure interventions, therefore the future is already set out beyond God's control. This also means that our future is set out, and therefore we are also puppets without free will. The only way that we can have free will is if there is no God, an I believe that we do have free will. Anyone that believes in an all powerful, all knowing God, cannot believe in free will. I am going to do an experiment to demonstrate my own free will by typing the word "bollocks" at the end of my next sentence. If I do have free will, then this proves that the idea of a God is a load of bollocks. _________________ MSN: gav@ukb.org.uk AIM: UKBassRadio ...Catch my show every wednesday from 8-9PM GMT... |
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| Elric the Impaler - Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:22 pm | |
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OVERLOAD wrote: JUNGALICIOUS wrote: GRANTED, GOD IS A JUST MASTER, BUT WE ARE HIS SLAVES NONETHELESS
Slightly unrelated to my last point, but if God is omniscient and omnipotent (as the 3 Abrahamic religions preach), then that means that he not our 'master'. That may sound stupid, but consider this: If God is omniscient then he knows exactly how he is going to intervene in future to change the course of history using his omnipotence - this means that he is unable change his mind about furure interventions, therefore the future is already set out beyond God's control. This also means that our future is set out, and therefore we are also puppets without free will. The only way that we can have free will is if there is no God, an I believe that we do have free will. Anyone that believes in an all powerful, all knowing God, cannot believe in free will. I am going to do an experiment to demonstrate my own free will by typing the word "bollocks" at the end of my next sentence. If I do have free will, then this proves that the idea of a God is a load of bollocks. Who says God speaks our language, lol ... maybe he rolls his eyes, wondering why we make it all so difficult everytime  _________________ -SITH HAPPENS- |
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| Elric the Impaler - Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:25 pm | |
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oooops, sorry for the "he", that was misogynic. |
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| OVERLOAD - Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:32 pm | |
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Elric the Impaler wrote: Who says God speaks our language, lol ... maybe he rolls his eyes, wondering why we make it all so difficult everytime
Elric the Impaler wrote: oooops, sorry for the "he", that was misogynic.
lol yeah, he/she/it most likely speaks Hebrew but he/she/it should try to learn English really to that he/she/it can read my post and damn me to hell  (although my fate is already sealed and theres nothing that he/she/it can do to change that)
Edit: I should probably refer to God as he/she/it/them(or they) as Christians do believe in a triune God (which is kind of 3 Gods in 1 in a rather confusing and inconsistent way) and Mormonism is polytheistic, as are other religions - let's not leave anyone out _________________ MSN: gav@ukb.org.uk AIM: UKBassRadio ...Catch my show every wednesday from 8-9PM GMT... |
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| JUNGALICIOUS - Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:39 pm | |
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WHO WOULD'VE GUESSED IT WOUL HAVE GONE THIS FAR...
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| Elric the Impaler - Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:58 pm | |
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@ GAV: yeaj, lol ... kinda! ^^ |
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| OVERLOAD - Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:14 pm | |
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Something I saw a while back and just rediscovered
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| c-j - Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:15 pm | |
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JUNGALICIOUS wrote: WHO WOULD'VE GUESSED IT WOUL HAVE GONE THIS FAR...
WE ALL KNOW THE ANSWER..... THE ONLY PART OF ME THAT DWELLS IN THE 3RD DIMENSION IS MY FEELINGS. HELD HOSTAGE TO DOUBT, JOY, AND THE NAGGING HIND-SIGHT 20/20 THAT WE SILENLTY LIVE IN AS WE LAY OUR HEADS DOWN IN THE MOST DESPERATE ATTEMPTS AT PEACE: AT THE END OF OUR DAYS. Why at the end of your days? The truth is that genuine freedom is an impossibility in nature - we are all interreliant and interdependant, as well as under control through responsibility, law / society or oppression. Get over it. It's actually a pretty cool trip. And hey, like you say you have it pretty cushty compared to so many in the 3rd world or wherever - but I bet most of them have more of a glint in their eye and laugh more than you. The only true freedom that can be gained is from the chains of one's mental reaction and conditioning. So then one can enjoy this trip called life and stop hating the fact that responsibility and situation thrust themselves upon us. It's like being on a rollercoaster at the fair (sure maybe you didn't get a choice about what ride you went on - just like, as you put it, the chain your mother bound you with, that umbilical). Anyway - you are on the rollercoaster. Bits are scary, bits are fun, some bits are even boring - it's up to you whether you get into the ride and enjoy every aspect of the experience for it's own gnostic gift; or just wrestle and cry to get off. Once the ride is over you'll be gutted if you didn't find a way to accept it's ups and downs and be philosophical about it - a lot of other riders on that same rollercoaster will be buzzing about it... the same rollercoaster. Freedom is only available in your choice of reaction to events. It's your call. _________________  |
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| JUNGALICIOUS - Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:02 pm | |
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I CANNOT EVEN SAY I GUESS YOU'RE RIGHT, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE RIGHT.
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| c-j - Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:09 pm | |
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Yeh - don't worry, I know where you're at too... perspective is the key |
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| mtbmatty - Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:51 am | |
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when freedom is outlawed
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| Elric the Impaler - Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:19 am | |
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Hey Jungalicious,
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| buksna - Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:24 am | |
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Once I saw a man who is thrue free on some video clip. His name is Bosko Drljic but he has scientific name Gandor. In 80's he was one of the best students in Sarajevo university. Until one day he decided to leave all that and go to hunt apokaliptic snake that he calls Nirdala... It looks crazy as it sounds, but I was stun after look all movie. Just type Gandor in google.(I think that exist version with english subtitle) and u will see what is freedom. |
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| JUNGALICIOUS - Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:11 pm | |
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[quote="mtbmatty"]when freedom is outlawed
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