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Or more on subject - I bet you are right on track by boiling it down to a filtering process....

That's cool. Sounds like shit I've percieved with varied levels of consciousness adjustment. Yup. Yeah. heheh Who hasn't had that feeling of getting caught in the mesh?

I think DNAmay be some kind of interface with the spiritual realm. That contained within it are the images/archetypes/souls/ideas that are biology (and the technology it produces), and these are thrown up in a kind of series of hard light biograms (as opposed to holograms) that have slowly gained complexity through the course of evolution. When I say these things are contained within it I suppose I actually mean that it provides some kind of hyperdimensional/interdimensional bridge to the realm of ideas and acts as a kind of projector for them into this material realm. It is also in fact a crystal and it emits laser light - in other words it is a fantastic information transmitter, reciever and amplifier.

Anyway, why I say this is that I think your point about the quantum entanglement of DNA is really interesting and seems reasonable. Therefore meaning that DNA can transfer information instantaneously across the universe and perhaps interdimensionally. It could possibly have a syntax for expressing incredible levels of complexity across this bridge provided by the entanglement.

If we were to follow the line of argument back, and if for the length of this paragraph we take the Big Bang theory to be true. Then surely we could argue that the entire universe is pervaded by quantum entanglement, having come from one source. In other words, we are all linked instantaneously to all things - we are one. And that could be a scientific argument for a soul of some sort.

But the Big Bang Theory.....if you are capable of believing that, then you can believe anything. Not one cosmology is begging for more faith.

Straight up at mach 6.
Damn CJ. This conversation continues to the next level every time. dig. Am I the first to imagine us as crystal radios? Seems not.

Soul antenna
A crystal....a liquid crystal... Wow. Each as individual as snowflakes - talk about an individually tuned radio. Nice to meet you DJ CJ. Furious beats and deep thoughts - Now I'm curious to hear someone else interpret the apparent fact that this unique, photon creating/destroying (yes, lasing - naturally) molecule seems to be strangly embedded in or perhaps able to alter the properties of friggin space itself - Those guys in Russia who irradiated strands of DNA with weak lasers and found it to set up interesting new fields that not only alluded to some kind of vacuum substructures (beyond me), but seemed to stick around in their chamber even after the laser was off and the DNA sample was removed....!?.... Hell, months, sometimes...

Is DNA just designed to fit into space/time like a... puzzle piece?....no... key?... kinda... or, like you seem to be expressing somewhat more coherently - a bridge - is that when you cross into metaphysics?... Sounds like a buzzword - but I sure do agree if that is what you are describing...

Sometimes it seems easy to imagine the strange, unknown, largely unmapped human brain as an antenna. Following strange clues... surfing the edges of perception... probably distilling nonsense into pure bullshit - but there I am, somewhere knowing that I am, we all are embedded in this (yes, mebbe entangled universe - Beautiful).... world of matter and energy - and who the hell knows, perhaps a higher power woven in somewhere... We really only know a sliver of what is...

Dammit. Now you can't shut me up - Perhaps, I wonder, would this strong possibility of intermolecular communication between matched DNA outposts ever be apparent to humans' hamfisted instrumentation and measurement, it would most likely first be noted within the system of the body itself?

I wonder this because of examples I've encountered describing, say, a shortstop reacting to a line drive nailed at his face - ball traveling so fast that physically he doesn't have time to recieve the light to his eyes, turn it into nerve impulses in his optical shit, send it to his brain, understand it/analyze it/ compare it, decide on an action, etc - then tranmit the signal down the arm to a glove and make that catch - but we can see it every day. There are other mechanisms at work... Perhaps our cells are networked a bit better than we can show with scopes right now?
Good stuff. Much good stuff

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i really wish i could comment lol this shits fasinating. and no i aint taking the piss. seriously shit like this blows me away. u too carry on lol ill just read
wikid stuff

gav remember wen u tried 2 trick me into listenin 2 brown noise or wot eva it is thats menna make u shit ya self fank fuk i had speakers on not hed fones

heheh the brown noise
Damage radius ten city blocks or greater with a 12 in or larger subwoofer...

Interesting stuff. Gotta big u up justin69, always great to meet someone who enjoys articulating a consideration of the big questions. Nuff respect.

I checked out those Russian experiments you spoke of and a bit about vacuum substructures or 'Phantom DNA'. I had not heard about this before, but if it is truly credible than it certainly paves the way for a scientific realisation of the world beyond matter. Kinda reminds me of the dark matter realisation phenomenon going on at the moment, where as usual science is moving its boundry; but equally once again scientists are talking about it as if that is that, the end truth is found....again....

The thing about science is that, although it is useful, it is in itself a pretty limited doctrine that cannot explain the myseteries of consciousness, being or soul....let alone our origins. However it is getting better at doing some of these things as it advances...on the other hand it is kind of like a machine tasting fine wine...it cannot tell us the meaning, the feeling, the sensation, the enjoyment, the taste....it can only tell us the constituents. It is a syntax for expressing the mechanics of things, not the value or meaning of them. Just thought of another metaphor, a book. it is much more than paper with syntactically convincing collections of printed letters of the alphabet on it that reach some sort of conclusion. A book is an amazing adventure in one's own imagination that takes us places, generates those places and the characters, feelings and so forth that occupy them./ It is magic to our minds.

In any case, right now science is showing some sign of appreciating other levels to reality that have often been explained quite clearly by shamen or grand masters from millenia ago. Science does not make up for gnostic experience, and that source of the highest quality information. In the case of these DNA experiments it does point to a kind of arrangement that fits fairly neatly with the kind of ideas we have been discussing. Not only that, but since DNA does produce its own ultraweak laser (meaning although it is such a low power of light it is utterly sharp and distinctive, shaped electromagnetic radiation capable of carring a high volume of information). Perhaps it stimulates its own vacuum substructure by means of this laser emitting ability? Perhaps it somehow 'tunes' itself....

It is amazing that DNA takes energy in and converts it into living bilogical beings, and that all the energy comes from the sun. Light and star dust is effectively taken down a chain of events and converted by DNA into us. Sounds almost biblical! lol. So where is it getting the ideas? Where are we getting our ideas? The domain of the imagination is coming through the DNA, perhaps via some method involving a vacuum substructure that maps into another dimension, as well as a quantum entanglement that puts its capabilities beyond those of every day consensual reality. And therefore puts it's capabilities way beyond the minds of over rational scientists, who perscibed the genes they could not identify on DNA as 'junk DNA'. Pretty pathetic. Nature is not wasteful in it's evolutionary journey....however man is arrogant, and it is shown in that very statement. And that is the thing holding us back....effectively: I don't understand, tyherefore it is useless rubbish and can have no importance. Take it from me, that ain't no 'junk DNA' in there....and actually scientists are slowly waking up to the that fact.

So if we let go to our entangled natures, loose our definition of ourselves as simply 3D material beings (which has stiffled the soul of the West for 500 years) and do the jedi / enlightened thing.....don't think, don't hold yourself back with your own preconceptions of you are. Be everything, then you can catch that ball where science tells you it is impossible. But as for overcoming the brown noise....well that might take a few trips to Baba Ji in the Himalayas and a few hundred years training to overcome that shit!

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you heard about the secret psi ops experements the us millitary underwent and still proberbly do, (remote viewing etc).
and back in the 60's the MK Ultra program the CIA where dabling in, (kidnaping donw n outs and people no one would miss and turnin' them into killing machines). They used LSD and BZ to brain wash people and then plant a "trigger word" in there brain so that when they here it the under go their mission.

And I always thought DNA was a sugar phosphate backbone with 4 different organic bases, however DNA is only a crystal in lyophisic conditions (i.e. a crystal of table salt is free of any water) therefore cannot emit lazers of any kind in the cell!
My understanding of this junk DNA (or introns) is it is not junk DNA it is merely just DNA tha isn't expressed into proteins, many studies have been done on this and it has been found that some of our introns are just 'older' DNA no longer required for human existance therefore is no longer expressed, however some organisms have the same genetic sequence and express the sequence products that we do not.....for example The banana tree shares about 95% of our DNA but are we banana trees......??
You both make very interesting points and its something that I will have a look into, but to be honest being a scientist I must look at it from a scientific point of view, in that we are just animals at the end of the day, all evolved from the same 'freak' combination of various salts, sugars fatty acids, carbohydrates and other random substances coming together to create 'life'!
But the consiousness point is very interesting, at the moment I am studying consiousness in a module at uni. It is a very hard thing to experiment with, mainly due to all experimenths having to be done on smaller mammals (damn ethics) these obviously cant tell you whats happening therefore we know very little about it!
There is a biochemical theory that shows there are cyclic nerves systems that emit a multitude of different Neurotransmitters that seem to be involved in consiousness and memory but yet still to be proven due to the lack of work in humans!

Anyway thats my 2 pennies worth!
Big up CJ & Justin, wicked topic sprung from a post about a program that blares white noise at ya!
Peace

"Biophotons, or ultraweak photon emissions of biological systems, are weak electromagnetic waves in the optical range of the spectrum - in other words: light. All living cells of plants, animals and human beings emit biophotons...This light emission is an expression of the functional state of the living organism and its measurement therefore can be used to assess this state. Cancer cells and healthy cells of the same type, for instance, can be discriminated by typical differences in biophoton emission....According to the biophoton theory developed on the base of these discoveries the biophoton light is stored in the cells of the organism - more precisely, in the DNA molecules of their nuclei - and a dynamic web of light constantly released and absorbed by the DNA may connect cell organelles, cells, tissues, and organs within the body and serve as the organism's main communication network and as the principal regulating instance for all life processes. The processes of morphogenesis, growth, differentiation and regeneration are also explained by the structuring and regulating activity of the coherent biophoton field. The holographic biophoton field of the brain and the nervous system, and maybe even that of the whole organism, may also be basis of memory and other phenomena of consciousness, as postulated by neurophysiologist Karl Pribram an others. The consciousness-like coherence properties of the biophoton field are closely related to its base in the properties of the physical vacuum and indicate its possible role as an interface to the non-physical realms of mind, psyche and consciousness."

source: http://www.transpersonal.de/mbischof/englisch/webbookeng.htm

for background: http://www.lifescientists.de/history.htm

for more: http://www.uri-geller.com/content/research/qb2.htm

And I think you were making a reference to colloidal systems? Think you possibly made a typo with 'lyophilic'? Anyway DNA is, I suppose, in some sort of lyophilic state in its home of salt water ie the nucleus of a cell. I presumed it was gathered in its chromosomes rather than somewhere along the suspension/solution spectrum...but I would be interested to hear more on this.



Surely this points further toward the property of DNA to project anything it chooses from its catologue of biological beings. Through a sort of habit our human DNA expresses us as we are and supresses banana leaves etc, and perhaps the quantum entanglement might be a means for communicating to the central idea bank (for want of a better expression) and projecting from a particular biomorphic field the organism that the particular DNA creates.

Of course the subtleties in the DNA chain that separate us from a banana tree are also expressed in the other 5% of our DNA that could easily affect the resonance frequency of the entire DNA chain on one level or another and therefore it's resultant biological being. It could be a crucial 5%

Having said all that - if we are all joined as one, at least all of biology, which quantum entanglement suggests as a distinct scientific possibility - and since all DNA apparently comes from the same root at the base of the evolutionary tree. Then we are infact banana trees, not to mention many other things. It's just that right now we are expressing ourselves as human beings.



True, but what is 'freak'? and what is 'life'? What is being 'just animal'?

It seems likely to me that life will always evolve in suitable conditions, and these conditions can be quite extreme, as demonstrated in some places on our own planet (like near tectonic vents on the mid-Atlantic ridge, where life exists).

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/planetearth/meteor_sugar_011219.html

It's also fairly likely that 'life' or it's precursors arrived via meteor and that these meteors will hit many, many planets. If conditions on any of them are as favourable as Earth was 4.5 billion years ago (not too favourable really by our current standards on this planet) then life will be evolving on all those planets.

And in it's turn - so will consciousness. Neuro trnasmitters definitely carry the medium of consciousness. I am not too familiar with the cyclic nerve theory of which you speak, but it seems to point toward a mechanism for consciousness. In it's turn that can once again, as science is so good at, tell us how it might work....but, as usual with science, it cannot tell us about the experience. You know, it's like if they work out the microbiology of an orgasm. Sure the equations will look fantastic, but will they tell you what an orgasm really is to a living being?

The answers to the Universe through the use of hypnogogic imagery? Shaweeeet!! I think perhaps one has to actually need these questions answered for themselves on a personal level. A lot of people aren't even aware that there may be other levels of consciousness. On a Quantum level, could you Imagine that we all co-create reality? And that our whole existance is just 1 concentrated "Bit" of thought in the mind of the Creator??
In other words, if you're not seeking the answers to the Cozmos then being shown the purpose for the whole of creation would pale into an inignificant vision of randomness (an amazing experience all the same, lol)
When it comes to psilocybin the Crystaline structure of the Universe becomes apparent.
Psilocybin seems to have the power of breaking you off of the rest of everyone elses rigid reality into your very own Quantum journey, where you alone have the power to create your own reality.
How many years would it take to master psilocybin?
On a Psychic tip (not Mystic fookin Meg!) the Kogi Indians, the only true people qualified enough to do Coca (uncorrupted cocaine leaf) one of the only indiginous tribes on the whole Planet have apparently stayed away from Civilised life & evolved on a seperate level to civilised man. A life of intense meditation, living with the earth and all things created, a life with no desire for War, Wealth or Power. Now we hear talks of them actually being psychic with the power to be able to talk to you by giving you the whole image & experience instead of just words How real is our reality & what bits exactly are real? Hmmmm, the brain boggles... looooool

P.S. Ineresting, verryyyy ineresting

Far too badass my friends.
This thread is sizzlin hot and just too damn cool...

Mr Aquari - I just checked back here in time to find you curious about the lasing effect in DNA - if I may fire a magnum round perhaps slightly off-target here... I understand DNAs' natural lasing process to be a very subtle energy involved (actually) in its' reconstruction and copying processes - that is - I think that the long chain that is DNA communicates up and down its' length via photons created/destroyed/tangled between already built parts and pieces under construction.... If I'm not full of shit, that is one of the ways that the complex molecule keeps track of and/or relates the very specific coding to new parts that must have a means of translating...
huh
Wish I could express that thought coherently, but mebbe you know what I'm getting at..?

Anyway - massive respect to everyone throwing in some great insight here. Just too damn cool when you start boiling reality down - and 500% cooler when there's a bunch of folks doin' it. Great thoughts out there everyone

Yes Doc - I am hearing you loud and clear. And yes I think you are right that substances like psilocybin point toward a higher plain of evolution that we are on the cusp of. One of the main features of this next level is the capacity to communicate language pictorally. Therefore removing all ambiguity of meaning present in our current system of spoken language, where the idea is deconstructed into a signifying sound and then reconstructed in the other person/people's brain(s). Extremely inefficient and prone to mistakes compared with what is coming (and can be accessed now during tryptamine trance). In the tryptamine trance one constructs one's language of sparkling mutlidimensonal self transforming energy packets that morph from the walls of the topography and can become anything one pleases as one communicates with the Tykes/elves and others.

Those guys in the Amazon were and are seriously advanced people, involved in a symbiotic relationship with consciousness expanding plants/fungi. This realtionship is being offered to all of humanity so that we may evolve past our rather pathetic self destructive materialist phase and into a new era of star travel and release into the unbridled imagination. The technology is now here for the future, as our our partners - the plants.

You are also right about the meaning of the universe appearing a random useless piece of useless nonsesnse to someone who is not looking for it. This is almost the epitomy of the cosmic joke. Not only that it also conjours up an extremely well known proverb: seek and you shall find. Reminds me of this old story of the buddha who helped a young student observe and discover the dharma, upon realisation the student said to the buddha, "Before, when I could not see the dharma it was no where to be found, it did not exist. Now I have found it I see it is everywhere, all around me, in everything."

I'd like to go back to one of Aquari's points:

Although in a compositional sense this is true, my personal opinion is that this is quite a stunting and belittling definition. If these substances sat in the form of DNA as a pile of inercrystals - like sand on the beach for instance - well that would bee pretty close to your definition I would say. However DNA is self replicating, self repairing, biosphere building - life creating and sustaining, technology producing, evolving, virtually immortal and somehow the source/transmittor of the Imagination itself. To me that is utterly awesome and distinct, something which is much more than the constituent molecular parts it is made up of. It's pretty magical really. What awesome thing DNA is! I don't see any other substances out there doing this, this is like the the alchemists grail - DNA really can take the dirt of the earth and turn it into soaring living beings.

Justin 69 explained the lasing process of the DNA pretty well there in his last post. I definitely know wht you are getting at bro.

And as Justin69 did, gotta big you all up. Great discussion.

Peace